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Ahh, I see! Thank you for the explanation!

I will definitely check it out if I decide to work more with Source again. Thank you for all your help!

Hi Joris, thank you for the comprehensive post, but I think you missed my point. Perhaps I wasn't really clear enough.

Since Max 2021, the material editor traded Standard Material with Physical Material and Arnold, (as stated here in their documentation https://knowledge.autodesk.com/support/3ds-max/troubleshooting/caas/sfdcarticles/sfdcarticles/Standard-Legacy-Materials-don-t-appear-in-3ds-Max-2021.html ) and it no longer has the the old material options available (in 2023, the version I use now, standard material seems to be completely removed, as I'm unable to find it when trying Autodesk's solution). Using the 'Give Obj/Tex WW Materials' option did not seem to change anything for me in the material editor either.

However, your answer still provides a solution. I'll start using the normal map's alpha and add the phong parameters manually in the vmt's afterwards. Thank you! ;D

Hello! It's been ages since I was here. Shockingly, I have a very similar question now from when I did way back. Also been a long time since I last used WW, and I'm probably rusty, but at the behest of a commissioner and good friend, I decided to dive back into it.

I have 3ds Max 2023 now and it uses the Arnold renderer. The material editor has been changed up a lot as a result. I'd like to know where I should place the phong map in order to get $phong to work.

Here is the new editor -- I prefer compact, so sue me :D

You can add a third to that list. A friend of mine had updated to creator's recently and now his wallworm is broken too. :\

I'm not really sure I like the idea of that update anyway, so I've blocked it from my PC for now.

Has there been any updates on this problem? I'm deliberately holding off on installing the creator's back because of this. :)

So sorry to hear about the lack of activity on the contest. I haven't made anything that fits the guidelines, but I thought I might show it anyway despite that.

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=831338775

It's not even a real map, just a model. Still, I really appreciate your hard work on making WW. Without it this wouldn't  have been possible. :)

Ok we solved it.

Turns out the head bone and head mesh were using the same name. "head" D'oh!

Changing the name for the head's mesh fixed her neck.

QuoteWelcome to MAXScript.

-- Error occurred in wwmt loop
--  Frame:
--   obj: undefined
--   tempWWMT: undefined
--   wwmt: $wwmt_coat_001
--   called in sanitize()
--  Frame:
--   tmpArray: #()
--   called in updateItemsList()
--  Frame:
--   called in wwmts.set()
--  Frame:
--   val: $wwmt_coat_001
>> MAXScript Scripted Plugin Handler Exception:
-- Type error: Call needs function or class, got: undefined <<
-- Error occurred in wwmt loop
--  Frame:
--   obj: undefined
--   tempWWMT: undefined
--   wwmt: $wwmt_coat_001
--   called in sanitize()
--  Frame:
--   tmpArray: #()
--   called in paramRollout.open()
--  Frame:
>> MAXScript Rollout Handler Exception:
-- Type error: Call needs function or class, got: undefined <<
-- Error occurred in wwmt loop
--  Frame:
--   obj: undefined
--   tempWWMT: undefined
--   wwmt: $wwmt_coat_001
--   called in sanitize()
--  Frame:
--   tmpArray: #()
--   called in paramRollout.open()
--  Frame:
>> MAXScript Rollout Handler Exception:
-- Type error: Call needs function or class, got: undefined <<

I don't have Pro installed at the moment. I thought I did, but seems like I downloaded the free version by accident instead. It's version 2.852 (free) at this moment. Right now kinda afraid to download Pro again. I don't wanna accidentally mess up my current settings and ending up having to set everything up again.

What was your email address again? :)

Quote from: wallworm on August 06, 2016, 12:38:31 PM
I'm completely confused about everything going on here. You will probably need to explain the entire process of your exporting and compiling from A-Z. My intuition tells me that you are not using WWMT Helpers or you are making a change in one bodygroup and compiling just that bodygroup.... but if you recompile the model where some SMD/DMX have one set of bone names and another set was created separately, it can lead to the issue that the bones are not the same. Remember that if you change any bones (in naming or hierarchy) then you need to re-export every single SMD/DMX that the model is using in all of the different bodygroups--and compile all the bodygroups again before recompiling the main model again. If using a WWMT Helper for your setup, you can simply recompile via the WWMT export/compile button. If not using a WWMT helper, then you need to do it all manually.

Right here with ya... I have been using the WWMT helper. :/ I've been doing things the same way as I did with my last character model and from what you've shown me in the past, or at least as exact as I remember. Things went well up until I got across this. So I'm just as confused as you are. I'm having another friend look at it, but he only knows about 3ds Max and not wall worm. Explaining from A to Z is gonna be a while. I don't even half remember some of the things I did or tried.

Optionally I could just get rid of the bodygroup thing and add two models to the workshop, one with her dress and one with her labcoat. SFM accepts more than one model in a single submission, so it's definitely possible. It's not the ideal solution, I know, but if it fixes things, I'll gladly accept it.

Anyways...

Quote from: wallworm on August 06, 2016, 12:38:31 PMEDIT: One hint is that Bodygroup WWMT can contain bones that are not in your skin. If you select a WWMT Helper, open the Modify tab and scroll to the bottom of the modify tab for the Models, Attachements & Bones rollout, you can see if there are bones assigned to the WWMT that might not be in the current skin modifier. Sometimes you can have bones in a setup that you don't want and this might be a place they are assigned and you might not know; also, in the WWMT Functions rollout, you can find other nodes in the Meshes list.

OK, selected the helper and went to modify tab. I got the following error popup:

"-- Type error: Call needs function or class, got: undefined"

Do you want me to just send you the file then?

Renaming the bones back to their original names unbroke the model. But look who's back?



This is so confusing! xD

Ok, from what I saw, it seems like WWMT exported bones that don't exist anymore?

I actually renamed them at some point, but somehow in the bodygroup it retained the old names, so now it has double the amount. Very strange. Some bones have also moved from their original positions so skinning is further warped.


(purple diamonds mark bones)

Should I redo the skinning completely? I wouldn't have a single clue how else to fix this. Remember, I don't have that much experience.

Thanks. I'll try what I can and let you know what happens next.

Hey, thanks for the quick reply. I fixed my own problem already, just to run into the next. :P

It turns out the head and neck bone weren't properly linked. Her weird neck is fixed now, but the bodygroups for her coat/dress are now rotated by 90 degrees.



Now I've seen this problem before, but never really understood why it happened or how to fix it aside from rotating the model in 3ds Max. But this is different since only part of the body is rotated.

Hey guys, here I am again.

So I recently got a new PC rig and finished up reinstalling everything from scratch, including 3ds Max 2016 and WWMT. Was working on a model for a character and every so often I test her on SFM.

Now after I finished skinning, I ran into issues with her neck. I've never seen anything like it before. In 3ds Max, she's fine and all the bones work like intended.



But then I exported her, and get this as a result:





I've read from posts made in 2014 on steam that this issue happened before and they comcluded it lies somewhere with WWMT during export. Could I have forgotten something in the settings while installing?

Currently using the Wall Worm SDM exporter as exporter plugin, since Wall Worm Pro always gives me issues for some reason and the free version doesn't. I'll share more settings if requested.

I always use Unwrap UVW. There you can control however the mapping looks.